Title: Knickerbocker Nest by Destination Big Bear : Luxury Dream Home Nestled between the Village & Snow Summit! Pool Table! Spa! Reviews, Deals & Photos 2026 - Expedia.co.uk [See all properties](http://www.expedia.co.uk/Hotel-Search?regionId=&selected=39672113&adults=2&children=&sort=RECOMMENDED&useRewards=false&semdtl=&userIntent=&vip=false) Entire cabin # Knickerbocker Nest by Destination Big Bear : Luxury Dream Home Nestled between the Village & Snow Summit! Pool Table! Spa! ## Photo gallery for Knickerbocker Nest by Destination Big Bear : Luxury Dream Home Nestled between the Village & Snow Summit! Pool Table! Spa! ![Fridge, microwave, oven, stovetop - Knickerbocker Nest by Destination Big Bear : Luxury Dream Home Nestled between the Village & Snow Summit! Pool Table! Spa! (Big Bear Lake)](https://images.trvl-media.com/lodging/40000000/39680000/39672200/39672113/8cb0dbab.jpg?impolicy=resizecrop&rw=598&ra=fit) ![TV, fireplace, DVD player - Knickerbocker Nest by Destination Big Bear : Luxury Dream Home Nestled between the Village & Snow Summit! Pool Table! Spa! (Big Bear Lake)](https://images.trvl-media.com/lodging/40000000/39680000/39672200/39672113/fcaf04e7.jpg?impolicy=resizecrop&rw=297&ra=fit) ![3 bedrooms, WiFi - Knickerbocker Nest by Destination Big Bear : Luxury Dream Home Nestled between the Village & Snow Summit! Pool Table! Spa! (Big Bear Lake)](https://images.trvl-media.com/lodging/40000000/39680000/39672200/39672113/d31b30c3.jpg?impolicy=resizecrop&rw=297&ra=fit) ![Fridge, microwave, oven, stovetop - Knickerbocker Nest by Destination Big Bear : Luxury Dream Home Nestled between the Village & Snow Summit! Pool Table! Spa! (Big Bear Lake)](https://images.trvl-media.com/lodging/40000000/39680000/39672200/39672113/816c9a15.jpg?impolicy=resizecrop&rw=297&ra=fit) ![Property grounds - Knickerbocker Nest by Destination Big Bear : Luxury Dream Home Nestled between the Village & Snow Summit! Pool Table! Spa! (Big Bear Lake)](https://images.trvl-media.com/lodging/40000000/39680000/39672200/39672113/609b740e.jpg?impolicy=resizecrop&rw=297&ra=fit) - Overview - Location - Amenities - Policies Nestled among pine trees, the Knickerbocker Nest offers a luxurious Big Bear retreat just minutes from Snow Summit Resort and the Village. Relax by the fireplace or unwind in the jacuzzi spa on your private wrap-around deck, complete with a fire-pit for chilly winter evenings. With wi-fi and an open-concept main floor featuring a state-of-the-art kitchen, this residence is perfect for family gatherings or outdoor enthusiasts. ## Reviews 9.0 Wonderful ### Entire cabin 3 bedrooms3 bathroomsSleeps 8 ## Popular amenities - Hot tub - Kitchen - Washing machine - Dryer - Air-conditioning - Outdoor space ## Add dates for prices Check-in Check-out Travellers ## About this property ### Entire place You'll have the entire cabin to yourself and will only share it with other guests in your party. ### Knickerbocker Nest by Destination Big Bear : Luxury Dream Home Nestled between the Village & Snow Summit! Pool Table! Spa! The ultimate luxury mountain retreat awaits you at Knickerbocker Nest, a completely remodeled Big Bear cabin that combines elegance and comfort. Located just minutes from Snow Summit Resort and the Village, this deluxe residence offers the class and convenience of a 5-star stay, accommodating up to 8 guests across three bedrooms and three bathrooms. ★★ Highlights ★★ ✓ Location: Ideally situated minutes from Snow Summit Resort and the Village for easy access to activities. ✓ Outdoor Fun: Just 2 miles from Big Bear Lake, with nearby hiking trails and winter sports options. ✓ Luxury: Enjoy a completely remodeled space with state-of-the-art amenities for a truly upscale experience. ★★ Living Areas ★★ ✓ Main Level: A beautifully remodeled living area featuring a cozy fireplace, wrap-around sofa, and flat-screen TV, perfect for relaxing after a day of adventure. Wi-Fi is available, and a game of pool adds to the entertainment options. ✓ Kitchen: The open-concept kitchen includes a new cooktop, oven, refrigerator, microwave, and dishwasher, along with views of the back deck. The kitchen is equipped with an 8-person dining table, ideal for gathering and sharing meals. ★★ Bedrooms ★★ ✓ Master Bedroom: King bed, wooden floors, and stunning wood ceilings, complemented by a connected ¾ master bath for your convenience. ✓ Bedroom 2: Two queen-over-queen bunk beds, making it a great space for kids or additional guests. ✓ Bedroom 3: Located on the upper level, furnished with a twin bed and queen bed for flexible sleeping arrangements. ★★ Amenities ★★ ✓ Comfort: Features a warm fireplace and central heating to keep you cozy during your stay. ✓ Entertainment: Equipped with a flat-screen TV, Wi-Fi, and a pool table for your enjoyment. ✓ Kitchen Essentials: Includes a gas range/oven, refrigerator, microwave, and dishwasher for all your cooking needs. ✓ Laundry: Stackable washer and dryer for added convenience during your stay. ✓ Outdoor Fun: Enjoy the custom-built wrap-around deck, propane BBQ, fire-pit, and Jacuzzi spa, creating a perfect outdoor retreat. Additional outdoor space includes a yard and patio furniture. ☆☆ Experience the Luxury of Knickerbocker Nest! ☆☆ Knickerbocker Nest offers a perfect blend of luxury and convenience. Enjoy the beautiful surroundings, relax in the spa jacuzzi, and create lasting memories with your family in this exquisite Big Bear retreat. Whether you’re hitting the slopes, exploring Big Bear Lake, or simply unwinding in style, Knickerbocker Nest provides everything you need for a memorable getaway. Book your stay today! 2025-0795 ## Property amenities ### Ski - Cross-country skiing nearby - Snowboarding nearby ### Pool/Spa - Hot tub ### Internet - Available in the cabin: WiFi ### Parking and transport - Onsite parking options include a garage ### Kitchen - Coffee/tea maker - Cookware, dishware, and utensils - Dishwasher - Hob - Microwave - Oven - Refrigerator - Toaster ### Dining - Dining table ### Bedrooms - 3 bedrooms ### Bathroom - 3 bathrooms - Shower ### Living spaces - Dining table - Fireplace - Living room - Separate dining area ### Entertainment - DVD player - Games - TV with cable/satellite channels ### Outdoor areas - Balcony - Barbecue grill - Firepit ### Laundry - Laundry facilities - Washing machine ### Comfort - Air conditioning ### Pets - Service animals only (pets not allowed) ### Suitability/Accessibility - Smoke-free property ### Location highlights - In a village - In the mountains - Near a health/beauty spa - Near a hospital - Near a zoo - Near the marina ### Things to do - Billiards/pool table - Kayak - Optional golf privileges - Snow sports gear - Water sports equipment - Basketball nearby - Birdwatching nearby - Ecotours nearby - Fishing nearby - Golfing nearby - Hiking/biking trails nearby - Horseback riding nearby - Jet skiing nearby - Kayaking nearby - Motor boating nearby - Mountain biking nearby - Mountain climbing nearby - Parasailing nearby - Rock climbing nearby - Sledding nearby - Snowmobiling nearby - Swimming nearby - Water skiing nearby - Water tubing nearby - Wildlife walks nearby ### Safety features - Carbon monoxide detector (host has indicated there is a carbon monoxide detector on the property) - Smoke detector (host has indicated there is a smoke detector on the property) - Fire extinguisher - Deadbolt lock ### General - Property located in a resort ## Similar properties ![Family Loft | Iron/ironing board, free WiFi, bed sheets, alarm clocks](https://images.trvl-media.com/lodging/2000000/1760000/1753900/1753837/a7d03248.jpg?impolicy=fcrop&w=469&h=201&p=1&q=medium) ### The Burgundy Big Bear Lake - 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21 ### Check-out Check-out before 10:00 AM ### Special check-in instructions An adult aged 18 or older must assume all liability for the booking You will receive an email from the host with check-in and check-out instructions Information provided by the property may be translated using automated translation tools ### Pets Pets not allowed (service animals are welcome, and are exempt from fees) ### Children and extra beds Children are welcome ### Events No events allowed ### Smoking Smoking is not permitted ## Important information ### You need to know This property is managed by a professional host. The provision of housing is linked to their trade, business or profession. Extra-person charges may apply and vary depending on property policy Government-issued photo identification and a credit card, debit card or cash deposit may be required at check-in for incidental charges Special requests are subject to availability upon check-in and may incur additional charges; special requests cannot be guaranteed On-site parties or group events are strictly prohibited Host has indicated that there is a carbon monoxide detector on the property Host has indicated that there is a smoke detector on the property Safety features at this property include a fire extinguisher and a deadlock This property is managed through our partner, Vrbo. You will receive an email from Vrbo with a link to a Vrbo account, where you can change or cancel your reservation Property Registration Number 2021-2579 If you cancel your booking, you'll be subject to the host's cancellation policy. In accordance with UK consumer law, property booking services are not subject to the right of withdrawal. ### Property is also known as 1672 ## About the area Located in Big Bear Lake, this cabin is in the mountains. Community Arts Theater Society and Big Bear Solar Observatory are cultural highlights, and travellers looking to shop may want to visit The Village and Interlaken Shopping Center. Make sure you get close to the area's animals with activities such as game walks and birdwatching. [Visit our Big Bear Lake travel guide](https://www.expedia.co.uk/Big-Bear-Lake.dx6919) [View more Cabin rentals in Big Bear Lake](https://www.expedia.co.uk/Big-Bear-Lake-Cabins.d6919-aaCabins.Travel-Guide-Accommodation) ![Map](https://maps.googleapis.com/maps/api/staticmap?&size=660x330&map_id=3b266eb50d2997c6&zoom=13&markers=icon:https%3A%2F%2Fa.travel-assets.com%2Ftravel-assets-manager%2Feg-maps%2Fproperty.png%7C34.23685%2C-116.90243&channel=expedia-HotelInformation&maptype=roadmap&scale=1&key=AIzaSyCYjQus5kCufOpSj932jFoR_AJiL9yiwOw&signature=UNlDeAbooBLD8riuSXBs-A869jk=) Big Bear Lake, CA ### What's nearby - ![BIg Bear lake landscape, with lakeside cottages, mountains covered in pine trees and snow covered peaks in the distance.](https://images.trvl-media.com/place/553248635975749287/cbe63cad-a965-41dd-8164-8f0d1d679a47.jpg?impolicy=resizecrop&rw=115.61&rh=65.03&ra=fit&q=high) The Village 12 min walk \- 0.7 miles - ![Snow Skiing at Big Bear, CA. ](https://images.trvl-media.com/place/6919/91c0e189-92ac-43c9-8b0c-84d893755d8f.jpg?impolicy=resizecrop&rw=115.61&rh=65.03&ra=fit&q=high) Big Bear Mountain Resort 17 min walk \- 0.9 miles - ![big bear lake](https://images.trvl-media.com/place/553248621532641594/69b0abdb-e5a9-4609-a45e-a5a46c4cc510.jpg?impolicy=resizecrop&rw=115.61&rh=65.03&ra=fit&q=high) Big Bear Marina 20 min walk \- 1.1 miles - ![A3GPW9 Snow Summit ski area and vacation homes at Big Bear Lake San Bernardino Mountains California](https://images.trvl-media.com/place/6065459/f2444205-793d-4d1c-a065-11a9dea440e1.jpg?impolicy=resizecrop&rw=115.61&rh=65.03&ra=fit&q=high) Snow Summit 3 min drive \- 1.2 miles - Big Bear Visitor Center 13 min walk \- 0.7 miles ### Getting around - San Bernardino, CA (SBD-San Bernardino Intl.) 67 min drive ### Restaurants - McDonald's 14 min walk - Tropicali 3 min drive - Carl's Jr. 20 min walk - Oakside 17 min walk - Taco Bell 12 min walk ## Frequently asked questions ### Is Knickerbocker Nest by Destination Big Bear : Luxury Dream Home Nestled between the Village & Snow Summit! 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[More information](https://www.expedia.co.uk/lp/b/content-guidelines) 10 - Excellent 17 8 - Good 5 6 - Okay 2 4 - Poor 0 2 - Terrible 1 ### 8.8 Cleanliness ### 9.4 Location ## Reviews ### 10/10 Excellent #### Tara D., Moorpark, CA 22 Nov 2023 Liked: Cleanliness, check-in, communication, location, listing accuracy #### Gorgeous home Really lovely home. Pool table was great fun. Lots of beds available for large groups. A walk into the town ##### Tara D. Stayed 4 nights in Nov 2023 ### 10/10 Excellent #### Chela S. 3 Nov 2024 Liked: Cleanliness, check-in, communication, location, listing accuracy #### Birthday Celebration! This home was perfect! There were 4 adults and 3 boys (11 years old, 9 years old and 6 year old.). We had the best time. Cooked most our meals at the house. Played pool, took a walk around the property, drive to the downtown area for trick or treating. Played games, watched movies. Easy to get to and just as described! ##### Chela S. Stayed 3 nights in Oct 2024 ### 10/10 Excellent #### Phil W. 6 Sept 2024 Liked: Cleanliness, check-in, communication, location, listing accuracy #### Great Location; Nice House The house is clean and comfortable. It’s nice and modern. Our daughter loved the swing. The location is perfect. There were two issues though. First, the beds have a memory foam mattresses that just didn’t work for us. Second, I didn’t understand why they wouldn’t supply Kleenex boxes. That was a minor annoyance. Otherwise, it’s hard to do much better in Big Bear. ##### Phil W. Stayed 4 nights in Aug 2024 ### 6/10 Okay #### Paul K. 4 Apr 2024 Liked: Location Disliked: Cleanliness, check-in, communication #### Disappointing I want to as objective as possible so will break it down in the following way. 1\. The property itself was charming and updated inside which was nice. There is a good amount of space for a family as I had 3 kids with me 12-15/boys and girls. We enjoyed the pool table and the location to everything. 2\. Unfortunately as it relates to cleanliness the property management company did a poor job of getting the house ready as there was long black hair all over the master bathroom, nasty, and I know it’s not mine as I’m bold. 3\. Functionality of the property was subpar, the internet connection doesn’t stretch well to the master bedroom thus making streaming on the TV in there less than ideal with constant freezes/buffering. The hot tub cover was broken, somehow the foam inside snapped, probably from the weight of the water sitting on top of it as it’s too close to the run off from the roof. Not only was the cover broken it was water logged making it weigh several hundred pounds and impossible for my kids and I to take off/put on, which led to our limited ability to use the hot tub which basically sucked because this was one of the reasons we rented the house. 4\. Functionality continued, when we arrived the drive way wasn’t fully shoveled after a 2” snow storm nor was the deck and steps leading to the hot tub. As such I shoveled the drive way, deck and steps so my kids and I wouldn’t break our necks when the snow melted and turned to black ice. I think I made my points! ##### Paul K. Stayed 3 nights in Apr 2024 ### 8/10 Good #### Teri K. 20 Oct 2025 Liked: Cleanliness, check-in, communication, location, listing accuracy Great house, very comfortable, quiet, and clean. The hot tub was perfect. Convenient to everything Big Bear has to offer. ##### Teri K. Stayed 4 nights in Oct 2025 ### 10/10 Excellent #### Ron P. 10 Jun 2025 Liked: Cleanliness, check-in, communication, location, listing accuracy Amazing ! ##### Ron P. Stayed 5 nights in May 2025 ### 10/10 Excellent #### Katie Z. 14 Aug 2020 Liked: Cleanliness, check-in, communication, location, listing accuracy #### Great getaway Great property for a family/friends getaway. House was very comfortable and had all the amenities we needed. Nicely decorated and felt like a home away from home! We will definitely be back! ##### Katie Z. Stayed 3 nights in Jul 2020 ### 10/10 Excellent #### Sarah E. 22 Aug 2020 Liked: Cleanliness, check-in, communication, location, listing accuracy #### Beautiful Home Such a beautiful home! Everything was very clean and the beds were very comfortable. We loved all the amenities! ##### Sarah E. Stayed 2 nights in Aug 2020 ### 10/10 Excellent #### Manali H. 23 Feb 2020 Liked: Cleanliness, check-in, communication, location, listing accuracy #### Awesome location, and clean modern house We loved this house. The location is great, very close to Snow Summit, and also the house is just a short walk from a good sledding area. The inside of the house is nicely decorated, (no bath-tub though) but we loved the bunk beds, all the bedrooms and the mud-room to keep our ski stuff. ##### Manali H. Stayed 3 nights in Feb 2020 ### 8/10 Good #### Yami F. 31 Jan 2022 Liked: Check-in, communication, location, listing accuracy #### Perfectl location The cabin is in a perfect location But didn’t like that you can only use 1 shower at a time or else you lose the hot water or can’t wash dishes while someone showers not enough hot water ….. ##### Yami F. Stayed 3 nights in Jan 2022 ### 6/10 Okay #### Jesse E. 1 Aug 2025 Liked: Check-in, communication, location, listing accuracy Location is convenient and puts you fairly central in Big Bear Lake. Kitchen is nice and has nice appliances. Rooms are spacious. Deck and outside area is tired and needs some attention. Biggest gripe is the showers…they are not great. Water pressure, temp and operation are not good at all. Easily can scald, and can’t hold consistent temp or water flow. After a long day outdoors, having good showers is something that most people would want at a cabin. Kids enjoyed the pool table, but it is also in very poor condition and cheap (so light it moves when kids play). Overall, we had a good stay…but the property needs attention to truly be considered “luxury”. ![Cute chipmunk visitor…but shows state of deck…needs work.](https://a.travel-assets.com/ugc/hotel-reviews/b5d3d522-3922-49ad-9b45-40e7c300c07c-1754057589582.jpg?impolicy=resizecrop&rw=204&ra=fit&q=high) ##### Jesse E. Stayed 3 nights in Jul 2025 ### 8/10 Good #### Lisa Q. 24 Apr 2021 Liked: Cleanliness, check-in, communication, location, listing accuracy #### Wonderful Spring Break! We loved our stay at Knickerbocker Nest. The location of the home is walkable to town and the neighborhood is peacful and quiet. The house was equipt with everything we needed for our stay and beautifully decorated. The downstairs get super cold but luckily we had extra blankets. We will return for sure! ##### Lisa Q. Stayed 4 nights in Apr 2021 ### 10/10 Excellent #### James M. 11 Aug 2022 Liked: Cleanliness, check-in, communication, location, listing accuracy #### Beautifully Remodeled and Clean This cabin was in a wonderful spot within walking distance (less than a mile) of both the Village and Snow Summit. The only issue we had is that the hot tub would not get warm. Otherwise a wonderful place. ##### James M. Stayed 2 nights in Aug 2022 ### 10/10 Excellent #### Michelle K. 21 Sept 2022 Liked: Cleanliness, check-in, communication, location, listing accuracy #### Enjoyed our stay! Nice home with modern design and decor. Clean and very spacious. Located close to the village but in a quiet neighborhood for relaxation and privacy. Will stay again! ##### Michelle K. Stayed 2 nights in Sep 2022 ### 8/10 Good #### Jessica S. 24 Jan 2022 Liked: Cleanliness, check-in, communication, location, listing accuracy #### Big Bear Weekend This is a beautifully remodeled property perfect for a family or small group. It does have some wear but overall a great stay. Great location and amenities like fire pit and spa. ##### Jessica S. Stayed 2 nights in Jan 2022 ### 8/10 Good #### Eric D. 8 Dec 2021 Liked: Cleanliness, check-in, communication, location, listing accuracy #### Great Location & Property. Missing a few touches. The location is perfect. Minutes from all the good spot in Big Bear. Overall the house was tidy, comfortable, and the spa and pool table were fun. Our kids loved the bunk beds and the sofa is super comfortable. We would absolutely stay here again. My only comments are that it was missing some touches. Like there were two coffee makers but no coffee. Had a washer/dryer but no detergent. No tissues or napkins (had paper towels). None of these are huge deals but every other rental we have ever stayed in supplied these (especially in this price point) or noted that they didn't and the renter should bring them. ##### Eric D. Stayed 2 nights in Dec 2021 ### 2/10 Terrible #### Arthur B. 31 Jan 2021 Disliked: Cleanliness, check-in, communication, location, listing accuracy #### There was a mouse/rat in this property. Customer service sucks. They dont want to do anything about it that i found a mouse in the house. They dont actually care ##### Arthur B. Stayed 2 nights in Jan 2021 ### 10/10 Excellent #### Dushanthie J. 7 Dec 2020 Liked: Cleanliness, check-in, communication, location, listing accuracy #### Definitely Coming Back This place was so cute and cozy! We had an amazing time. It was a perfect getaway spot for us. Thank you!! ##### Dushanthie J. Stayed 3 nights in Nov 2020 ### 10/10 Excellent #### Henry C. 21 Nov 2020 Liked: Cleanliness, check-in, communication, location, listing accuracy #### Updated House with Fantastic Layout The house has been thoroughly renovated from its original design to an efficient 3 bed 2 bath with an expansive wraparound deck. The main floor is spacious with big sliding doors to the front and back balcony/decks. The 2 bigger bedrooms are big enough for couples and the 3rd room with double bunk beds is small but small kids won't mind. A couple drawbacks: kitchen cabinets are missing handles and knobs (odd for a fully renovated kitchen), the laminate flooring is starting to come part in various spots (we had to pound a nail back down), and one of the sinks in the master bath vanity broke during our stay (it was under-mounted with glue but no framing). Overall, we still like the house and would consider staying here again; especially with it being walking distance to Town Trail. ##### Henry C. Stayed 3 nights in Oct 2020 ### 10/10 Excellent #### Dawn R. 29 Aug 2020 Liked: Cleanliness, check-in, communication, location, listing accuracy #### Mountain getaway dream house This property was everything the pictures show and more. Not only was it stunning on the inside the location was equally beautiful. We’ve stayed at a number of VRBO properties and this one was by far the favorite. Even my teenagers were raving about it the entire way home. Can’t wait to visit again! ##### Dawn R. Stayed 3 nights in Aug 2020 ### 10/10 Excellent #### Maria W. 21 Aug 2020 Liked: Cleanliness, check-in, communication, location, listing accuracy #### Great house for family The house was beautiful and clean. I stayed with my family. The kids enjoyed the play area and making s'mores over fire pit. It is in a great neighborhood that allows for walks. ##### Maria W. Stayed 2 nights in Aug 2020 ### 10/10 Excellent #### William B. 9 Aug 2020 Liked: Cleanliness, communication, location, listing accuracy #### As advertised Went for a quick getaway with the fam. Place was amazing and in great condition. Hot tub and grill were all working perfectly. Would definitely come back again soon! ##### William B. Stayed 3 nights in Jun 2020 ### 10/10 Excellent #### Vince P. 25 Jul 2020 Liked: Cleanliness, check-in, communication, location, listing accuracy #### Excellent time in Big Bear Fantastic property...very modern. ##### Vince P. Stayed 4 nights in Jul 2020 ### 10/10 Excellent #### Ryan A. 5 Jun 2020 Liked: Cleanliness, check-in, communication, location, listing accuracy #### Great updated house! Great property all around and been fully updated. Location was excellent as well. Would definitely stay here again! ##### Ryan A. Stayed 2 nights in Mar 2020 ### 10/10 Excellent #### Tao Z. 9 Sept 2019 Liked: Cleanliness, check-in, communication, location, listing accuracy #### Pleasant weekend stay We stayed at the cabin over the weekend and was very happy about this property. We loved the interior decor and were very happy to find this cabin was well-stocked to meet all our needs! The location was also very convenient. I would book again. ##### Tao Z. Stayed 2 nights in Sep 2019 ---